Eli Roth

[Andrew Walsh]

Royce, not to sound like an asshole, but do you like anything?  I am openly gay and I was not offended by any of those movies because unfortunately that is how those jock kind of guys talk, believe me I know.  All of the things you accuse Eli Roth of doing are present in almost every movie in the genre.  And just so you know, I am not choking in any possible way.  I highly enjoyed Hostel 2.

http://www.horroryearbook.com/2007/06/08/dr-royce-talks-eli-roth/

[murderpunk]

i like the word faggot. i liked Andrew's review of Hostel 2 which is probably the only reason i'm gonna watch it.

[Andrew Walsh]

Don't blame me if you hate it!!!

[WIL]

What does Murder liking the word faggot have to do with anything? Anywway a lot of people are asking me why I published that and even though I don't agree with Royce I have busted my ass to give horror and movie fans an open forum on the internet. Where the bigger sites lock ideas like that out to kiss ass because they made the national print ads, I couldn't tell Royce he was not allowed to publish his thoughts. I have not seen Hostel 2 but am an Eli Roth fan. Horror Yearbook is not one big collective thought, it's a bunch of people's opinions. So, so far 2 out of 3 of our writers liked the film.

[Andrew Walsh]

I'm not saying it should be censored, I'm just asking the question and putting my opinion in the mix. 

[WIL]

Yeah I was just trying to write a response but been writing too long today and give up. Tomorrow.

[WIL]

Never-you-mind seems I have time. I would like to say that I support Eli Roth because hate him or like him he supports the horror genre. A lot of people that hate people like Roth and Tarintino just seem to be annoyed that are doing what tha haters wish they were doing. As the owner of Horror Yearbook I am very proud that our first national print ads were on Hostel 2 giving it a great review. I trust Tyler knows what he is talking about and I hope Hostel is a huge sucess so we can get more horror films in the future.

Roth likes what he is doing and is not using the horror genre as a dumping ground for his shit like that asshole producer Matt Pletcher is doing with that pile of bullshit called Death Walks the Streets 

[murderpunk]

well.. like it or not people use words like faggot, nigger, skank, cracker, etc. i don't think Eli Roth should get any shit for having charactors in his movie talk like that. that whole shit where he was saying he was like "a martyr in a pc genre" or whatever.. was so pompous you know he was fulla shit and i'm sure right afterwords under his breath muttered "you stupid asshole"

whether you try to make a good movie or try to make a movie that's like a good movie, it's the same shit. even if he goes out of his way to be un-pc.. you know damn well in Cabin Fever when the old man said that gun was for niggers, you laughed.. and it was ok to laugh.

i'd rather watch Cabin Fever or 2001 Maniacs everyday for the rest of my life than to see lifeless garbage like the new TCM, that's trying to reinvent a genre on lack of substance.

[murderpunk]

What does Murder liking the word faggot have to do with anything?

cuz Andrew was talking about faggots

[WIL]

amen!

[Dr. Royce Clemens]

You see, Andrew, I could have written a huge blood and thunder screed about how I think Eli Roth is a shitty filmmaker, but frankly I don't think he deserves it.  So I applied the logic of one of his mouth-breathing, dumbass characters to his movies and wrote what I found, with the serious misogynist commentary (which was real from me) thrown in for good measure.  A joke for a "Joke."


But what seriously knocks me out is that every horror fan with half a brain wants horror films to be accepted as the equal to comedies, or science fiction or little Sundance dramas in terms of reception and esteem from the mainstream, but no one is manning up and going to bat for the good ones.  They all give passes to the mediocre ones which result in a bump in rentals at the video store and in turn spawns even more mediocrity.  The Four Star reviews I gave to DEATH PROOF and SEVERANCE were because they were different and refreshing as opposed to the hackneyed swill Roth doles out every couple of years or so.  And this swill makes money and creates MORE swill.

So now we have the talent margin spread RAZOR thin because wonderful movies that fall outside the "torture porn" milieu are poorly marketed and commercially avoided in their theatrical runs.  We're doing more damage than anyone on the outside because we keep watching the same old shit over and over again and asking for seconds, which Roth and his Splat Pack buddies are more than willing to give.  BUG deserved to make more money than it did.  And so did 28 WEEKS LATER and THE DESCENT here in America.

But you're right.  I'm wrong.  Huge clouds of consent on a filmmaker just CAN'T BE WRONG and anyone with a public forum like a blog or a critic gig on a website can't do anything that falls outside of that for fear of being called batty.  I never wrote an article before that and don't plan on doing another one.  I just wanted the novelty of seeing something on a horror site that DIDN'T kiss Eli Roth's ass and no one was willing to do it but me.  Everyone seemingly wants the rub from him because apparently it "means something."

So Roth is relatable as a human being and puts critical blurbs from civilian run horror sites (like this one) in the ad campaigns for his movies so that must make his movies awesome, right?

I can tell it does, because EVERY HORROR FAN IN AMERICA went to see HOSTEL PART 2 over the weekend.

Huh?

Oh, um... Scratch that last part. 

So um, being as everyone here but me is tight with him and all, let's be sure to send Roth a nice fruit basket in thanks for putting the horror movie in a coma for another five years because he and James Wan kept stammering and repeating themselves with the same movie over and over again.

[WIL]

Ahaha I think I figured out what you're confusing about us supporting certain "crappy" films. I only read the first part of your response but want to type this before i forget. If after I read your response I will correct myself.

Here is why horror fans keep calling for supprt of almost any horror film. If you can find one article, just one in any magazine saying the comedy, drama or whatever genre is dead I will applaud you. BUT 3 horror movie flops in a row and ET Weekly is posting their 3rd article on why the horror genre is dead. Horror fans sit back and watch crappy (any genre) film after crappy film come out all year, then we sit back and watch a lot of those shit films (Crash) and great films get awards and celebrated, meanwhile the GREAT horror films and even comedies of the year....ignored.

Studios who were built off horror films (New Line) and cashed in millions because of horror franchises (Paramount) are quick to turn their backs on horror films. Then they have no problem releasing the 4th special edition DVD that like idiots we all run out and buy. They have no problem taking horror classics and ruining them with remakes, but as soon as a few don't make money they want nothing to do with us.

The reality is any other genre can have flop after flop but as long as a ton of shitty comedies keep making money they will keep making horror films. So yeah we understand that we have to support even crap horro films so we can get good ones.

I'm not saying see Hostel 2 just because it's a horror film. I am saying if you are a horror film go and see it and decide for yourself if it sucks. Don't pass it up for the celebrity circle jerk called Ocean's 13 because we know that will make money......and again I am cut short because of website shit FUCK!

I hope I made some kind of a point. It's not that we want shitty horror films. We just need those to do well so we can keep getting good ones. I do agree with you that we do go overboard, why I like you writing reviews for the site, like what you said in your Delivery review...We keep each other in check....got to go do work..... 

Lova Ya all!

[WIL]

OK back real quick.

I also understand the suck of it all. I bitch about remakes but then like a dumb ass always go out and see the damn things giving htme my money, whne I believe horror fans should boycott those. So I understand if you think Roth sucks then if we keep giving him money you think we are giving them permission to keep making "crap" but you also maybe look at the horror genre as a whole as films. Some are for the sake of loving  "crap"... or as we like to call it cinematic junk food,  I prefer it so i want them to keep making films like Killer Workout and Sleepaway Camp. What you view as crap sometimes is cinematic gold to certain films and may not be for the masses. I also love bad teen comedies, those are the movies I pop in when I am at home and have nothing to do.

You are also mixing people up like Rue Morgue with people like me. They want horror films to be accepted at sundance, i want those pople to stop sticking "political commentary" in my horror films when it is not there. I never said it does not belong in horror films, my stance is people like the editor of Rue Morgue and Molly try to find it in every horror film to make themselves feel smarter and better. Sometimes it's just good junk food and when it is it should be left that way.

[WIL]

Now that Hostel 2 did bad I'll make a few predictions:

Some magazine like ET will do an article about the failure of the horror genre or some shit like that

2008 will be full of crap PG-13 films

[WIL]

Yeah actually there was a lot of cock in Hostel 2, and he only showed weiner dogs tits! Hmmm?