The Twilight franchise is starting to make me realize something about so-called “whiny” horror fans; they may not be as whiny as we think. Some may just demand a little more quality from their horror films, not such a bad thing if you ask me.
I know most of you are not following the Twilight mania so let me quickly recap it for you.
The main stars (Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart) are on the verge of nervous breakdowns due to over obsessed screaming fans, one director has already jumped ship, and they’re already searching for a third before the first sequel, New Moon, has even even released.
The second film in The Twilight Saga is set to be released on Nov. 20 and filming begins in March. The third film Eclipse, already has a release date for June 30th, 2010! As Horror-Movies.ca put it, “How are they going to be able to make the third book Eclipse into a movie, when it’s release is barely eight months from the release of New Moon?”
According to an EW rumor, they will need a third director to direct Eclipse, and that director could be Drew Barrymore (You can smack your forehead now)! At this rate they could have all the Twilight films in production each with its own director attached. No wonder why Catherine Hardwicke got the hell out of there, the sequels could end up even more confusing than the Halloween franchise.
Basically Summit Entertainment realizes what everybody BUT the Twilight fans do, the Twilight books are over-glorified romance novels that just managed to nab a HUGE following. So their strategy seems to be “quickly pump out as many steaming piles of shit branded The Twilight Saga and laugh their way to the bank.” It is almost the same strategy as Platinum Dunes with their remakes, because both companies know horror and Twilight fans will eat up any garbage they serve us (At least Dunes seems to take a little more time and care with their doody).
So here is my point; Summit realized there is no reason to deliver Twilighters a decent product because they don’t demand it. Why bother when just the mere mention of the name Pattinson elicits screams of ecstasy? Same goes for horror fans, Freddy Krueger or Bruce Campbell anyone? If you have surrendered to the remake machine then you have no right to bitch about the Twilight franchise, because at least some “whiny” horror fans try and demand a little quality from their films. You’re basically in the same boat as the Twilighters, any pile of shit served as a special brand is good enough for you.
i did not understand aword this story was talking , well i did a little!!!!!!!!
Maybe if you spoke English and I could write it we could understand each other better. Basically Summit is going to rush out as many Twilight films, DVDs and products as they can and not care if they are good or not, because Twilight fans will like anything called “Twilight.”
There was nothing hard to understand about that article. The point is sound.
Twilight is for unimaginative pubescent girls or grown up girls who still have the same mental capacity of pubescent girls.
AMEN!!!
Finally someone produced this very concise article which precisely formulates what this “phenomenon” is all about and what we can expect in future. But we’ll still have to deal with it. At least I hope that it’ll put on map “Little ashes” . Looking forward for that movie…
Ok…ugh…LITTLE ASHES??? Really? Well, if you like poor acting then knock yourself out. I truly believe that Catherine Hardwicke had the right intention with TWILIGHT and although it wasn’t everyone’s favorite her intention was to make a quality film…I completely agree that summit just wants to make shit flick TWILIGHT sequels to make a profit but then again the TWILIGHT book series is not really the same level to…let’s say Harry Potter series but yes, this is typical Hollywood politics trying to make a quick buck but who can blame them the economy sucks.
A lot of studios still take their time to produce something decent. Harry Potter is a great example, why don’t Twilight fans want something that well done?
I think hardwicke spent time making a decent movieout of the book it is a shame that summit feel the need to rush the rest of the franchise which will probably result in a let down for fans.Apart from this it will do nothing for the health of the main stars.Pattinson already looks shattered and a right mess does he not have another suit and as for the beanie hat!!!
The reason they are rushing to get the sequels out is because of the age of the actors. Anyone who’s read the saga (and you shouldn’t refer to it unless you have!) knows that The Cullens are supposed to be in their teens. Since they’re vampires, they don’t age. To make it true to the storyline, they need to produce these films as soon as possible, before these actors get too old for their roles. Recasting the roles for each film would create even more chaos, so I guess this is the only option. So it’s not that “Twilighters” aren’t demanding a better product.
That is a load of bull! The actors are not going to age that drastically in the next three years unless they are smoking crack or meth! Try again!
This article is loaded with over-exaggerations, drenched with cynicism, and brimming with arrogance. Apparently, every movie that you believe to be over-done, or too immature for your vastly sophisticated and awe-inspiringly superior tastes, is a piece of shit. Excellent work. Enjoy your whining. I’m going to buy Twilight.
John needs to wash his vagina while watching his favorite film, Twilight.
Terrific. Do you have any real rebuttals or should I continue to regret taking the time to read the article in the first place?
You should continue to regret reading the article because your response geared towards this website was so off mark it is beyond silly. The entire site is built on “over-exaggerations” the articles are always full of “cynicism” so you pointing that out was like pointing out the sky is blue.
No one has ever or should call anything on this website “sophisticated.” So like I said you were so off the mark you should probably never come back, and as the owner I’m willing to lose you as a visitor because you obviously miss the entire point of HYB!
Oh yeah go wash your mangina.
Gladly. However, if you wouldn’t mind illustrating your vision for what the ‘point’ is, I would really appreciate it. For now, I see absolutely no evidence for the claims you make in your article. I feel confident in asserting that you have not read the books, and that before you even entered the theater, you were certain that you were going to hate the film.
If you’re going to write in a public forum, you should expect criticisms. Writers should, as a general rule, be prepared to support their claims with, at least, a cetain amount of fact (or well-fabricated falsities). Maybe this is something you are not used to?
And, if I remember correctly, I did not reference your site, as a whole, in my original response. You can check that and correct me if I’m wrong. For the time being, however, let’s keep this discussion about your Twilight review. It was erroneous, and I disagreed. You had a chance to respond, but instead defended your website (from a non-attack) in such an obtuse manner that I’m not even sure it could be called a defense. Would you like to try again, as you say?
this is so stupid, i do realise that its in a rush but thats because they are trying to keep all the actors for the whole saga..if the movies arent made fast it will take about 5 to 6 years for the whole saga movies to come out and be in theaters meaning the main lead characters would be around 29(robert), (24) Kristen, (22) Taylor…that wouldnt work out only 4 taylor cuz at the end he looks 25…neways my saying is that they are trying to do whats best for them and for us if we want the same characters cuz as that other person said it will be a bigger chaos if they reselect the lead characters…i guess people just talk to make news and bring negativity or positive things about others work.. chill out the movie hasnt come out yet so dont judge something that you havent seen yet!
How about this, they shouldn’t make a teenie bopper book into a mainstream film? Something that might seem well and dandy on paper most likely won’t work on a big screen. True, there are some exceptions but those exceptions are usually ones where the movie was better than the book itself.
Plus, people I know who’ve read the books can’t stand the movie. They think the movies are shallow and don’t represent the entirety and authenticity the books had to offer. Of course, you can’t fit everything in a movie – you could – but could you really take 5 hours of a vampires that sparkle?
Plus, these books go against most of the mythology of the vampire. They can’t walk in daytime, doesn’t matter how many clouds are in the sky and they certainly don’t sparkle. They wouldn’t go the high school either. This should have stayed on books because on film it is just plain silly. At least, you can manifest your own version of what things would look like in your head. Now that we have a picture, it’ll be hard to take any of the books to any level of imagination.
Good job. Way to ruin the books.
Using anecdotes rarely works; since they’ve been introduced, however, I know people who have enjoyed the books, and also loved the film. I also cannot think of one person who has ever said that they enjoyed a film adapted from print, more than the book itself. Furthermore, I am fairly confident in saying that there has never been a film adapted from print that fully captured every detail of it’s source.
Forgive me for being rude, but you’re criticizing an author for elaborating on fiction. As far as I know, mythical creatures are not confined to any particular criteria; therefore one persons take on vampire lore is as valid as the next persons. If vampires did exist, and the author was doing them an injustice by falsely portraying their physiology, then you would have an argument. But as it stands, vampires don’t exist, so Stephanie Meyer has creative license to portray mythical creatures in her fictional novels however she wishes.
And, if you follow the logic of your final argument, each and every film that is adapted from a novel, ruins the novel. How could you possibly consider sparkling vampires to be silly, when the Harry Potter films portray a fictional school where paintings that adorn the walls of Hogwarts carry on lives of their own (to give a relatively minor detail of a particularly flamboyant series of novels)?
ha ha ha
.1 vampire folklore is based on myth (correct)
.2 twilights 1st book is a romance story with vampires (correct)sorry they couldnt throw more graphically violent scenes in the movie for you since there werent any in the book.
.3 catherine hardwicke jumped boat (wrong) she was already signed to another project and shes busy
.4 everybody who read the book hated the movie (wrong)and a subjective not objective statement i read the book and loved the movie.
oh and just for the record im an aussie so im not surrounded by screaming american teens telling me that robert pattinson is too die for more like”robert who?”.
The twilight 1st novel hearkens back to the old vampire stories where it was all about tragic love and revenge any horror fan worth half their salt should know this already bela lugosi anyone at all. not fucking “saw” or hostel and just for the record i am really over gratuitous rape scenes passing for horror “the hills have eyes” had plenty of violence “wrong turn” had plenty of violence and they were both shite most horror movies these days are shite with no storyline and even less acting lay off twilight and go back to your shite. theres plenty of it around me im gonna watch american werewolf in london, followed by little hellraiser and im gonna quietly pretend that any of it really matters.
Bela Lugosi! Haha..Lets go back a bit further shall we? Max Schrek portrays one of the first ever vampires on film where there is no romantics involved. Though Dracula is a seductive threat to women, its all about chauvinism at this point, he isn’t such a romantic person but more of entrapment device to lure women into his web. What we have here in Twilight is an utter mess and makes vampires look weak and, again, very silly.
If you loved the book and loved the movie, you’re in a minority. Its true. And, yes, I am criticizing the author because she has some stupid ideas. There are some aspects of Harry Potter that are stupid ideas but those ideas weren’t based on any mythology and, if they were, they were accurate portrayals; one that comes to mind is professor Lupin as a werewolf. Something doesn’t have exist to ruin it. Plus, the idea is real and the the old idea came first. So, if you’re changing the idea, you’ve bastardized it. That’s the way it goes.
Twilight didn’t necessary have to be violent to be good. You’re an Aussie, thanks for sharing, but I guess you don’t understand American nor European horror. Shock is what it is, shock. But if you add suspense, thrills, and actual scares – then you have a legit horror movie i.e. Black Christmas or Suspiria. Twilight offers nothing of the sorts as it is geared toward a younger audience and many masters of horror agree that an horror movie that PG-13 is utterly blasphemous and a slap in the face to the fans. Stay in Australia where the only thing good to come out of there is Undead and Paul Hogan.
Harry Potter is based entirely on myths. A massive conglomeration of myths….werewolves, wizards, ghosts, dwarves, elves, witches….I could go on, but the point has been made.
Your claim that Stephanie Meyer has stupid ideas is as valid as anothers persons claim that her ideas are genius. Entirely subjective. You may want to stop making subjective claims.
You misunderstood the purpose of her pointing out that she was from Australia. She meant to qualify her defense of Twilight by distinguishing herself from the seemingly Rob Pattinson-obsessed young audiences of the United States. She was, in no way, trying to say that Australian horror films are better than American horror films. And I hope you understand that vampire mythology has been around for millenia, and motion pictures are little more than one century old.
Twilight was number nine in the top ten box-office money-making films of 2008. The books are massive best-sellers. Clearly, those who enjoy the movie are not a minority.
A PG-13 horror film is ‘A slap in the face?’ and ‘Utterly blasphemous?’ Seriously?
\"The whole notion of a PG-13 horror movie to me is a contradiction in terms. It’s like having a XXX Disney picture. It doesn’t work.\" — Clive Barker
He has it spot on. Its too much of a contradiction. Yes, it is a slap in the face. Yes, it is utterly blasphemous. I\’m serious. Nothing good has come out of PG-13 horror and I don\’t even consider Twilight to be a horror film. Its closely resembles more of a drama than anything else.
Twilight might have been number nine at the box-office of 2008, the reason being is that it was again PG-13 and every little 14 year old girl, without an individual soul and self-esteem, went and saw probably 2 to 3 times because of the casts of young heart throbs and, perhaps, those who read the books wanted to see what the film was going to do with the adaptation.
Not all of Harry Potter is based on myth. But like I said, those that were, played true to the myth and didn\’t stray off course. But then again, the novels of Harry Potter were far more success and well-known than Twilight ever was. Nobody under the age of 15 ever heard of Twilight until the movie came out unless they were an emotionally oppressed group of self-abused emos who look for that dust collecting crap on the library book shelf because they literally have no friends.
And, yes, she was telling us for \"the record\" that she was an Aussie. She is the one who\’s probably saying \"Robert Patti-who\" and everyone else down there is all about this guy. Americans aren\’t obsessed with Pattison. Its all the teenage girls in the world – except probably Africa. Also, she was saying that American is all about blood and shock and etc.. Its right there if you read her comment. Obviously, there needs to be a broaden of your way of thinking with American horror.
Oh, if you want a film that is better than its literature, lets take the film The Thing (or The Thing From Another Planet) for example. Way better than its short story of \"Who Goes There\" by John W. Campbell Jr. Even Stephen King thought that The Mist adaptation had a way better ending than his ending – I\’ve read the novel and I agree. The Mist wasn\’t all \"blood\" and \"rape\" – so I don\’t know where you got all that crap, lady. There are a few splatter films out there – but not as many as you think.
Come on, Vampires can only live in Seattle because the rain clouds cover the sun sooo much that they go out in the daylight – what the hell? That isn\’t a stupid notion to you? UV rays can pass through rain clouds! Am I going crazy here or what?
Fully overcast skies lead to a reduction in surface UV irradiance. The intensely thick cloud cover that is common in the Pacific Northwest is more than enough to reduce and/or deflect the concentration of UV rays.
The two movies you mentioned are changed from the original source. The Thing was adapted from a short story, therefore it was lengthened and changed via the creative license of the film maker. The end of the Mist was changed from its original, apparently, as well. Therefore they are, quite simply, not the original. Twilight, on the other hand, is a direct adaptation from the novel.
The rest of your ‘response’ concerning self-esteem and individuality is absurd. The fact that I’ve wasted time defending a decent film from a couple of idiots is even more so. With all due respect, ‘Ironik!’ and ‘Wil,’ you may want to stick to critiquing low-budget, obscure horror flicks that no one in a healthy state of mind would dare to call entertaining.
John call into HYB Radio tonight we would love to discuss Twilight with you (646) 716-7438.
You would enjoy that, I’m sure.
No it would be fun. Just an invitation.
You just said it didn’t block UV rays. So, you agree with me. Twilight has changed the story – they had to – its film and it needs to be shortened, and altered, because not everything can make it into the adaptation. Therefore, it isn’t original, like you put it. The Pacific Northwest isn’t a cloud covered dead zone. Sure, it rains a lot, but I’m sorry, sunlight does manage to get through even with rain clouds.
You want us to stick with obscure and low-budget films? We will and, also, with mainstream films. Hey, guess what film is a low-budget film that was way better than Twilight and made tons of money for under $400,000 and got an R rating? John Carpenter’s Halloween. Oh, god, the horrors of low-budget film making – its so dreadful.
Here’s another low-budget film that will always be better than Twilight because it speaks on so many undertones that the depth of its meaning will ultimately crush Twilight because its a weak story, with a weak plot, weak characters, and no meaning what-so-ever. Night of the Living Dead. Only $114,000 and it really says something about our history. Does Twilight do that? Fuck no! Who wants another love story with nothing to offer besides sparkle vampires who can run around in day time playing baseball and actually falling in love with a human girl? What the fuck?
If it’s such a “decent film” why are critics at 49% with it? What a load of crap Twilight is so get off your high horse of trying to defend it. You say you keep coming back and defending it, yet you keep coming back on your own free will. You should call it because you would lose this conversation against real horror fans. You will lose this conversation because Twilight is worse than cartoons of the 80s – fucking Smurfs owns movie. I even like Queen of the Damned better than I did Twilight and that movie was horrible. Yeah, you can call me an idiot, that’s cool, but I have far more knowledge about life, about mythology, and about horror movies than you ever will, Johnny Boy. You should call and entertain us “idiots.”
Stephenie Meyer and the people behind the Twilight movies are succeeding if you’re lamenting about how “horrible” the books and movies are and will be.
The Saga was never a horror story. It is a love story. The basis of it is the way the two main characters love each other. The books are fictional. Since when do we put limits on an author’s imagination?
Anyone who spends so much of their valuable time bashing Twilight is obviously also trying to cash in on the series, even in a figurative sense, because they know anything Twilight related will be immensely popular.
Love it or hate it, you have to give Stephenie Meyer credit. You know why? I would much rather see pre-teens and teens, and people of any age really, reading books than playing video games and spending hours and hours on the internet. Reading is becoming less and less popular with younger generations and these books have inspired so many young people to READ and analyze a work of literature, and become interested in reading and writing, instead of Facebook, texting, Wii’s, etc. That alone is impressive and worthy of applause.
I have no problem with people reading the books. They should just have never made it into a film. The same could have gone with Constantine, however, I never read the comics yet people say the film is a bastardization of the comics. I heard many that say the same about Twilight.
People should read more; I have no problem there.
whatever ironik apparently your experience of australian culture doesnt extend beyond the your very limited cinematic experience that or you found form 3 difficult if youd ever been here youd know were a pretty diverse country and we are influenced not only by american british asian and indigenous cultures and not only do we understand their comedy fluently but we have been able to use it to our advantage and just in case u thought u were going to get away with the cultural slur u threw at me as justification for your comments last time i looked ignorance was not a defence. to borrow from american icon eat my shorts man, to borrow from the british your flogging a dead horse,to borrow from my boss skasimilaka good luck with the last one, from my kiwi friends fuck your eye and last of all from me bite my ass dumkopf (oh and if you get the joke maybe you fail to grasp the australian sense of humour.